To receive additional items that the Chair is of the opinion should be considered as a matter of urgency, in accordance with Section 100B (4) (b) of the Local Government Act 1972. To agree any relevant briefing notes submitted to the Committee.
Minutes:
The Vice-Chair informed the Committee that one
item of urgent business had been received, which was a briefing
note providing an update on the Council’s borrowing. The
Vice-Chair asked if any Members had any comments or feedback on the
briefing note. Councillor Muldowney questioned what the interest
rates would be from the new Public Works Loan Board (PWLB). The
Interim Director of Finance replied that the interest rates for
PWLB were currently approximately 4.5%, although this could vary.
He stated that PWLB could be cheaper than other loans and provided
access to a wider market. Councillor Muldowney questioned what the
previous interest rate for PWLB used to be. The Interim Director of
Finance stated that interest rates for PWLB used to vary between
0.5% and 3.5%. Councillor Muldowney asked if interest rates could
rise further, and if this would present additional risk to the
Council. The Interim Director of Finance stated that the Council
were currently seeking treasury management advice regarding the
longer-term interest rates, as the market was no longer stable and
remained subject to change. He added that the debt had been
initially replaced with PWLB to create breathing space and this
approach formed a key part of the intervention. He commented that
further detail on PWLB would be brought to the Committee as part of
the Quarter 2 Financial report.
Councillor Kent highlighted that the Chancellor’s mini budget
had increased the interest rate for local authorities from 3.96% to
5.36%, and queried if Thurrock’s loans had been taken out at
the higher, 5.36% rate. The Interim Director of Finance explained
that the loan had been taken out at 3.96% interest rate, but rates
fluctuated almost daily, so this was subject to change. Councillor
Kent asked if any future loans would be granted to Thurrock at the
prevailing rate. He stated that the PWLB rate was linked to
government bonds, so was liable to fluctuate. He asked if the
finance team had undertaken any modelling to predict the level of
interest debt repayment. The Interim Director of Finance agreed
that the PWLB interest rate could fluctuate, and the process for
monitoring this would be agreed through the Medium-Term Financial
Strategy (MTFS). He stated that this could increase the level of
debt at Thurrock, as approximately £836million of debt was
being recycled into PWLB loans at an average 4.3% interest rate,
and the finance team would be considering this differential, which
could be approximately £20million. Councillor Kent questioned
what the process for agreeing PWLB had been. The Interim Director
of Finance explained that Thurrock had sought treasury management
advice in response to stories in the local and national press,
which had led to limited access on the local authority borrowing
market. He stated that the intervention had begun on 2 September
2022, and at this point Thurrock had no access to the local
authority borrowing market. He explained that the commissioners had
worked with Thurrock to find funding and understand the
requirements needed to reduce the debt and how it could be paid. He
commented that once the commissioners understood the level of debt
and the scale of the issue, they would be issuing a judgement on
how the debt could be refinanced and repaid. He added that the
commissioners had also been discussing how to reduce the debt level
and ensure the Treasury Management Strategy was compliant. The
Interim Director of Finance stated that the PWLB provided a
short-term replacement market for the local authority borrowing
market, and this could be reassessed. He stated that the approach
had been agreed by the Treasury, Department of Housing, Levelling
Up and Communities (DHLUC), the Commissioners, the Acting Leader,
and the Portfolio Holder.
Councillor Carter asked if there was any flexibility in the current
approach, particularly regarding interest rate changes. The Interim
Director of Finance explained that Thurrock had been in
conversation with DHLUC colleagues to address some of the
short-term issues and interest rates. He explained that most of the
debt was short-term, which would provide Thurrock the opportunity
to reset, reconsider its wider options, and manage asset
expectation. Councillor Muldowney sought clarification that the
debt was not being paid off, but was being refinanced at a higher
rate. She queried how the level of debt had reached approximately
£1bn and what the Council’s strategy for paying it off
would be. The Interim Director of Finance explained that there were
currently two workstreams being investigated by the commissioners:
the first being forward looking, for example considering the scale
of risk; and the second being backwards looking, for example
considering the journey to this point. He explained that the Best
Value (BV) inspection had begun on Monday with a document review,
and would be meeting with Members and senior officers, to examine
how the Council got to this stage. He stated that their
investigations would conclude on 3 January 2023 when Essex County
Council would report to DHLUC, which would explain the journey
here.
Councillor Anderson queried if the Council had considered any other
alternatives to the PWLB. The Interim Director of Finance explained
that the alternative to the PWLB was the local authority borrowing
market, which Thurrock did not have wider access too, and which had
higher rates than the PWLB. He explained that the PWLB offered the
best rate and therefore made it the cheapest option available. The
Vice-Chair summarised and stated that Members felt concerned
regarding the current financial situation, but felt the briefing
note had been useful and informative.
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