Minutes:
The Assistant Director
Education and Skills introduced the report and stated that it
outlined the work undertaken in September 2018 on the Fair Debt
Summit, which had been cross-party and cross-directorate. She
stated that the Summit had considered how best to support
residents, young people and schools with financial literacy, and a
pilot scheme had been developed by Thurrock Adult Community
College. She added that the work had now been embedded into
Thurrock’s Inspire programme, which worked with both young
people not in education, employment or training and vulnerable
adults. The Assistant Director Education and Skills mentioned that
work on the project had been paused due to COVID and school
closures, but was now being re-energised, and the team would be
going back into schools to deliver the programme. She stated that
the team would also be using the programme as a challenge for
Thurrock’s Next Top Boss, and felt it was particularly
important to help young people understand financial resilience
post-COVID.
Councillor Carter questioned if the programme would be available to
the most vulnerable young people in Thurrock, including those in
foster care. The Assistant Director Education and Skills replied
that the scheme would be run for all young people to take part in,
which included those Looked After Children. She added that care
leavers also had separate money management schemes that had been
working well. She explained that all young people could find it
easy to get into debt, and the programme would help these people
understand the wider financial economy and the skills they would
need to remain debt free. She highlighted the appendix to the
report that showed they had received positive feedback from schools
that had run the pilot scheme, and this feedback would be developed
into a programme by Thurrock Adult Community College.
Councillor Muldowney questioned if the scheme was being targeted
correctly. She stated that the pilot scheme had been run for year 9
and 10 students, who would not necessarily have experience with
debt at that age. She felt that although the current scheme would
be a good preventative measure, it would be beneficial to target
the scheme at older people who were already in debt, and would
therefore reduce child poverty rates in the borough. The Chair also
queried if the scheme was targeted correctly, and felt it should be
targeted at younger children to enable them to understand money at
an earlier age. The Assistant Director Education and Skills
explained that although the scheme did target young people, it also
targeted vulnerable groups through Inspire, such as young people
not in education, employment or training, some of whom were already
in debt. She added that the scheme would also work with vulnerable
families, and could be adapted to work for adults on a wider scale.
She stated that the work in schools was preventative and would help
to embed the key principles of debt management from a young age.
She summarised and stated that she would consider all feedback from
the Committee, including the targeted age ranges.
Councillor Snell thanked the team and the director for their hard
work on the report. He felt that early targeted intervention would
help young people with their financial preparedness and stop people
entering into debt later in life. He queried if the scheme would
teach young people about the use of IT and money, as the UK moved
toward a cashless society. The Assistant Director Education and
Skills replied that the scheme would look into online banking and
IT, as it became more easy to spend money online and on mobile
phones. She explained that the Adult Community College had
recognised the changes in money management and would work to
develop this into the programme.
Councillor Hebb echoed comments made by Councillor Snell and
thanked the team for their hard work. He stated that the paper had
been designed to share the work so far and get more ideas from
Members. He felt that the scheme would help to promote financial
independence and would build financial capability at an early age,
to ensure young people avoided debt. He stated that during the
summit young people had seemed interested in the programme and had
asked a variety of questions from mortgages to interest rates. He
added that the scheme would also look at financial technology, as
it became easier to spend money and be approved for loans
online.
Councillor Kent welcomed the idea of a Fair Debt Summit and
financial inclusion education. He felt that this would be a long
term programme, the benefits of which would not be seen until the
young people currently at school reached adulthood. He added that
some banks offered financial advice and activities in schools
currently, and asked if the Council could link up and utilise some
of these services. He echoed the points raised by Councillor
Muldowney and felt that adult poverty and debt management also
needed to be addressed, particularly as the government’s
furlough scheme drew to a close and tax rates increased. He felt
that these people needed to be considered as part of the scheme, as
they could be at risk from debt or financial mismanagement.
Councillor Hebb explained that a report would be coming to the
Committee in November which would focus on debt collection by the
Council, and had involved the Citizens Advice Bureau.
Councillor Collins felt the report was positive, and asked what
other vulnerable groups the scheme would be considering. The
Assistant Director Education and Skills replied that the scheme
would focus on those in school; young people not in education,
employment or training; and young people on benefits, who would be
picked up by the Inspire team. She explained that the scheme would
also look into problems associated with online gaming and gambling,
which often led people into financial difficulty. She stated that a
piece of work could also be undertaken that would focus on money
management for those young adults over the age of 25 who were not
included in Inspire. The Chair asked if young people and adults
with learning difficulties could be included in the scheme.
Councillor Collins added that it would be useful if young people
leaving for university could also receive a bespoke course
regarding money management at university.
Councillor Muldowney stated that one third of young people
currently lived in poverty, and asked what could be included in the
strategy to help them directly. Councillor Hebb stated that the
scheme had been divided into three sections, which included:
education; people who could pay debts but refused; and people who
could not pay debts but wanted too. He explained that the report
coming to the Committee in November would cover compassionate
collections, and would go into detail regarding poverty and how to
tackle the issue.
RESOLVED: That the Committee:
1. Reviewed the approach, and provided
any relevant feedback, with a view of supporting a joint working
approach between Finance and Education to provide holistic
opportunities to address debt management/avoidance in
schools.
2. Recommended to Cabinet the continuing support for financial
literacy to remain a key focus of the curriculum offer across
schools and colleges.
3. Recommended that the debt management activities continue to be
delivered across directorates, as well as making use of external
agencies/services to support this programme of activity.
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